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hey what's up everybody Welcome to The Gray Zone it's me Max Blumenthal here with
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American journalist Wyatt Reed American journalist on a list of many lists of
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Traders Wyatt Reed how's it going Wyatt
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good I'm I'm thinking of starting a list of my lists so I don't forget all the
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lists that I've been listed on well we'll talk about your your list we'll get into that
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yeah congratulations uh thanks to everyone you're our
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managing editor for uh the next two years at least so uh congratulations on
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that and uh I hope you're managing
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we just like made up some managing titles
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it works I think right yeah I mean it's all like what am I am I
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like editor Emeritus now like editor-in-chief
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but basically you know I haven't had a day-to-day Editor to work with before
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and it's increasing our productivity um there are there are very few people out there who actually can write
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consecutive words in English that make sense who also understand the subject matter on a granular level that we're
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working with so I went deep into the Appalachian
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Backwoods it was kind of like journalistic version of Deliverance
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why it was there who out there looking for Papa's and ginseng and he found me
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instead no I met I met you through a more interesting Saga we'll we'll tell
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another time um shinatova to everyone who's observing
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to all the uh tribe out there white are you are you am I do I remember
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right that you're part Jewish I'm Jewish enough let's leave it at that
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you're Jewish well I mean you're
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you're jewishness went up Jewish enough to work at the gray Zone you're in the media so that works
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yeah we've actually expanded right yeah it's uh Jewish
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so um yeah it's the Jewish New Year
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um we're all going to be inscribed in The Book of Life or and uh it will be
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determined whether we'll die horrific deaths in the next few days or whether we'll get to
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live anyway now that we have all that out of the way
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we'll get into welcome everybody especially from uh
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from out of the U.S we have such a wide widespread Global audience
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we hope to visit you all and do Gray Zone shows across the world but hopefully I think
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you know in this next year or so I want to start doing some
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actual live shows in the U.S so we'll see if that's possible um
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anyway right now here in Washington there is a coordinated freak out targeting one of the wealthiest men in
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the world not because he is hoarding wealth or because of inequality
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because or because um I don't know he's seeking to control
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foreign data of millions and millions of people but because he's insufficiently war-like
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we're talking about Elon Musk obviously Elon Musk who is in charge of the former
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Twitter social media platform now known as X and also the X Empire the Tesla Empire
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um major government contractor someone who previously got good press and was
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this is the subject of a biography by Walter Isaacson who's one of the most famous mainstream biographers in the U.S
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he is a liberal you know associated with the Democratic Party
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um but musk gave him some access because why wouldn't you I mean the book is going to be in the front of every
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airport bookstore about yourself I mean Walter Isaacson is really like
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the mainstream biographer right now he's sort of like Robert Caro
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but maybe a lot less interesting anyway so Walter Isaacson published a piece in
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the Washington Post last weekend about how Elon Musk had supposedly thwarted I
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don't know if that was the language he used thwarted thwarted a Ukrainian attack on the Russian Navy naval fleet
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at sevastopol which is one of the key Frontline Russian Naval bases
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um it's what it's a big part of the reason that this war even happened in this spot yeah right
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yeah so it was going to be a Pearl Harbor style attack um by on unmanned aerial Vehicles unmanned
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basically submarine drones and they needed Elon musk's starlink communication system to participate and
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so the way Isaacson framed it initially was that musk actually turned it off to
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avoid uh being a part of this and then said I I didn't sign up to be part of uh some War Coalition I'm just a private
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U.S citizen and I thought I was bringing peace and helping people in Ukraine by giving them Starling which is true I
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mean in a way it's true he was providing them with a free charity service when Russia had taken out their
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satellite system early on during the Russian military operation that began in
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February 2022 so musk stepped in out of the you know after being asked to and
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gave them what they needed and it's triggered a freak out and and the Freak Out is very specific to the
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Democratic party Democratic party talking points are being distributed to attack Elon Musk over this we'll get
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into that I think the initial Salvo
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was launched by Jake Tapper who is sort of like the leading neocon
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personality at CNN someone who and he had an interview with
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Tony blinken last weekend and just went off on him you know he and
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he this is the thing Jake Tapper and the rest of the corporate media neocons they
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will never challenge a billionaire or a western official unless they are insufficiently militaristic otherwise it
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was just a softball interview but then this part unfolded uh has recently confirmed a report that's in Walter
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isaacson's new biography at mosque that last year musk blocked access to his
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Starling satellite Network in Crimea in order to disrupt the major Ukrainian attack on the Russian Navy there in
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other words musk effectively sabotaged a military operation by Ukraine a U.S Ally
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against Russia an aggressor country that invaded a U.S Ally should there be
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repercussions for that Jake I can't speak to a specific episode
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here's what I can tell you I mean and it's anyway so blinken just deflects because what is the Secretary of State
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going to do to Elon Musk like what repercussions are they calling for is he going to announce the nationalization of
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x anyway that and that's what this is all about is like narrative control the
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Democrats feel like they've lost the narrative on the most important social media platform for
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political public figures whether they're journalists or politicians and and what Jake Tapper was doing why it was lying
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he was lying through his teeth that is not what Elon Musk actually
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did and Walter Isaacson following that Jake Tapper interview had to issue a correction
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uh here's Walter Iverson's correct to clarify on the starlink issue the
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ukrainian's thought coverage was enabled all the way to Crimea but it was not they asked musk to enable it for their
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drone sub attack on the Russian Fleet musk did not enable it because he thought probably correctly that would
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cause a major war whoops so anyway this just kind of undercuts the whole
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Narrative of Tapper and the pro-war Democrats but they're still rolling with
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it I like how that's a clarification too it's it's not totally walking back the
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original claim you know that's that should be a retraction right you you said a lie and now you're conceding that
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it was a lie but you're pretending that you were just misunderstood or something also just to point out the United States
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and the Ukraine are not Military Allies they're not a member of NATO uh they are labeled I believe a
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strategic partner under under certain um a certain sense but they're they're they
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are not an ally in any formal sense but this is a claim that gets repeated over and over again this is part of what's
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being used uh to justify the demonization of Elon musk's uh
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well let's we'll get into it here in a second because he musk has actually come out and clarified uh the position
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exactly what happened after following this massive freakout as you noted the
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only time they're ever going to come out of after a billionaire like this is for some perceived transgression against the
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military-industrial complex um but uh it seems to be the case that musk himself was not authorized to turn
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on starlink in the first place not that he you know the so the story has evolved so dramatically over the over the course
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of a couple days first it was that he specifically shut off starlink coverage and now
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now we know that he that coverage was never enabled in the first place and the
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reason why is because to do so would would be to violate U.S sanctions against Russia so uh you know I I
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so we'll we'll get into that here um it might be worth uh putting here's Elon musk's own explanation
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yeah so I mean again it's just undercuts
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The Narrative that the Democrats the Corp like CNN MSNBC are pushing right
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now when you consider that U.S citizens are not allowed to operate in Crimea because
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it's sanctioned here's Elon Musk uh without the volume on and now here's him with the volume on
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um it's actually turned off he's in some vast hall or something so the sound is terrible he's on a plane using starlink
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uh and and and and zooming into this uh Summit in Los Angeles
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sanctions against Russia um and we're not allowed to actually and
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that includes Crimea in the sanctions and we're not allowed to actually turn on
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uh connectivity to essentially the country without explicit government approval
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um so um
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so so basically the uh uh look at you know Ukraine didn't they didn't give us any any event this
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morning or heads up or anything um where we just got the these sort of uh
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urgent calls on the Ukrainian government saying that we needed to turn on Premier it's like in the middle of the night and
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we're like what are you talking about you know what's it for
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I mean they're kind of laughing at the it it it looks it look it sounds silly like oh we're
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doing a military operation let's call some billionaire in the middle of the night uh maybe it'll work and we'll
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destroy Russia's Navy like is that the level that the ukrainians are operating at I mean it's absurd
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this is it is absurd so I mean yes there was the chance as even Walter Isaacson
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acknowledged that this could have caused World War III uh could have caused a
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major military escalation but to me it seems like it would have been just crossing another
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red line while initiating another bungled attack like the Ukrainian Special Forces Landing in Crimea which
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ended in disaster for them as they fail dramatically in the counter-offensive
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they're mounting all these Terror attacks on Crimea and across the Russian Federation
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that don't do any structural damage and usually aren't even successful from a tactical point of view
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um right and then yeah we're basically
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um figuring out what this was kind of like a Pearl Harbor time attack on
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um Sebastopol on the Russian things Festival so they really ask us for to really practically
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take part in a major Act of War um and um
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you know what we certainly have huge FPL support for the painting of it um the
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Ukrainian government is not in charge U.S uh people or companies
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that's not how it works
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do you hear that Applause so here making an excellent point right yeah one of the most popular
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[Applause]
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I should say that that President Biden's biggest fan if if
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I received a Presidential Directive to turn it on I would have done so because I do have
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gone the president as the chief executive officer of the country whether I want that post with the president or not
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I still respect the office and so if you know if we've gotten if I gotten a
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request from the president type of thing but he's America president or from the CIA director
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yeah but then I I worked a real president you know so but osis requests came through
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well that's I mean yeah there's a lot you can say there I mean one kind of secondary point I would make is that
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is is that the Biden Administration is it's unclear if the Biden Administration actually wanted such an attack to take
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place or succeed uh especially at that point they weren't yet ready to attack Crimea but I mean
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what else does that say about you know the relationship between musk and the government Wyatt
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well he's trying to preserve that relationship he doesn't want to kill the Golden Goose this is what's made his
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massive Fortune possible in the first place with all these government contracts these government subsidies for
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all of his companies whether that be SpaceX or Tesla uh he's trying to play nice he's trying to play Both Sides
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basically right you know talking about how absurd and ridiculous this request was but if it had come from our pretend
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president who can barely string two sentences together then of course you would have honored it because you know
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he respects the office or whatever um
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yeah so it's so it's it's really Mount um but you know at this point even a
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mealy mouth two-faced billionaire is is better than than you know the the
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blanket Administration let's call it that because I don't know who is actually really calling the shots at
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this point certainly not by themselves yeah I mean it's the blink in Newland
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it's it's Biden's kitchen cabinet and the then that you have the Pentagon
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and uh white I mean I actually don't have it in front of me but you know on this point
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because what part of the the Democrats criticism which is sort of valid but it's warped of Elon Musk in this
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situation is that the US government shouldn't be relying on billionaires uh to wage a war effort
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for example uh there's a new Senate Democrat letter where they're demanding the Pentagon investigate Elon musk's
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contract it's it's wild the wording you know there here it is Senate Democrats are
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demanding that the Pentagon turnover information about musk's Starling contracts with the US military to investigate whether they're safeguards
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in them to prevent another version of the recent Fiasco the Fiasco in which he didn't
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let the it wasn't even zielinski who was demanding he turn on starlink it was Michael federoff who is the Minister of
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digital transformation so it was some low-level Deputy Prime Minister telling him to do it so failing to listen to a
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foreign Deputy Prime Minister has prompted the Democrats to demand that Pentagon investigate all of an American
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billionaires contracts and they
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um they are aggressively probing the musk Ukraine Fiasco from every angle
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and uh they accuse him of meddling and in and and you know I mean if you read
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they're accusing him of defend effectively defending Russian interests
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um so this is sort of a version of trump Russia where they're targeting they're basically transplanting the Trump Russia
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um narrative onto Elon Musk and we'll talk about what this is about in a
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second but why aren't they asking for a probe of other billionaires and companies that the US
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and Ukraine are relying on entirely for this war effort for example palantir
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which actually Peter Thiel founded but it's run by a guy named Alex karp now who's much more of a bipartisan player
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he was at the last two Bilderberg conferences in Washington and Lisbon Portugal with all the NATO Chief and all
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the five eyes intelligence heads and palantir is responsible for all the
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targeting and maps that the U.S U.S centcom the Pentagon is supplying to the
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Ukrainian military palantir is using AI to develop maps and targeting systems
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it's not uh as though the U.S government is supplying this it's a private
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Corporation that's a private spying Corporation that's involved in so many surveillance scandals
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hoovering up Americans data without their permission and it was actually featured in that
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60-minute segment Wyatt that you tweeted where the 60 Minutes correspondent goes to meet with Mark milley
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and you know send it to me in the private chat or something and I'll throw I'll throw it up on screen but basically
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Millie says we have an open we have open pipes so open intelligence pipes to the ukrainians and it basically shows how
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the US is running Ukrainian operations from the operations room and all those
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maps on screen are from palantir but nobody cares about that in Washington because palantir is doing
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what NATO wants it's doing what Ukraine wants it's doing what the Pentagon wants
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Elon Musk just steps back for a second behaves like a private citizen and then
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all of a sudden the Helen you know fire and fury rains
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down on his head from the Democrats because this is Biden's War coming up on re-election and Elon Musk they're
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they're blaming him basically for screwing up Biden's re-election by by failing to mount this Pearl Harbor style
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attack and what do they care if we go to the brink of nuclear war well and and for following the U.S law
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right for following the sanctions which demand that he receive express permission from the U.S government to be
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able to allow the starlink to be activated over Crimea in the first place
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right yeah uh and yeah I have sent this uh this link to you it's this is this is
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worth uh this video is worth watching too the CBS story that came out recently because it really just shows you how far
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down up the escalation ladder we've gotten uh you know months ago it was it
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was totally forbidden to acknowledge that this is a proxy war now CBS is openly acknowledging it's a proxy war
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um and not seeing the link requirement of the Joint Chiefs and staff uh send it to you on Twitter and in
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WhatsApp uh okay but uh there's a private chat to the right on stream yard
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if you want to do that oh oh uh okay I'm uh using my phone so I can't do that but
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all right I got it uh and so yeah so what's going on here Wyatt
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well this is basically an admission the first kind of admission I've seen from
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the mainstream media that we are indeed engaged in a proxy war there to use
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their words a new Forever War uh against Russia using Ukraine as an intermediary
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something that you and I have been pointing out uh since the beginning of
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this war for a year and a half now we have been explaining that this is what's going on and uh we've been ridiculed and
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attacked for it uh the consensus among the mainstream media has been that
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actually we are simply helping the clucky ukrainians stand up for themselves against the evil Russian
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Empire against evil authoritarian Vladimir Putin who wants to restore the
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Soviet Empire and who sees himself as a new SAR uh but now we're finally kind of
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getting a little bit of the truth and we're getting an inside look at the
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command post at which the us is waging its proxy war against Russia selecting
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targets for the ukrainians and as Millie says uh he uh quote our intelligence
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pipes to Ukraine are quite open range these are unclassified because we're here track the painful progress of the
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offensive it looks like the ukrainians the yellow have cut a pretty good wedge
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out of the uh the Russian lines that's true yeah what physically is that that they've had to get through it's
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minefields boom it's trenches it's ditches it's I mean 10 12 minutes just right there they're showing ukrainians
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just getting wasted in the counter-offensive that was a horrible shot that that video you know that was a
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compressed version that was one of the most horrifying videos I've ever seen uh that video if you watch it in its
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entirety shows an entire armored carrier full of ukrainians get dropped off directly into a Minefield and one by one
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they blow themselves up more of them come out to rescue the other ukrainians who've lost legs and Limbs and then they
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get blown up too uh it's it's horrifying what they're basically subjecting these
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people to they're kidnapping these Ukrainian men off the streets most of them are trying to go into hiding the
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ones that get us that get caught trying to escape or going to work uh they get thrown in the Paddy Wagon and they get
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deposited at some unpre you know undisclosed location perhaps in Poland
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uh and then they get three weeks of basic training shoot a rifle a handful of times and then they get thrown onto
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that um and that's you know five million now we're by Millie right not by not by the
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Ukrainian you know whatever is left of the Ukrainian regime which is just just a a puppet of the people like Mark
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Miller yes disarmed with anti-tank ammunitions
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what other defenses are they going to encounter if they make it through those those Orange Lines you see there are
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Russian trench lines and in between those Orange Lines which you don't but those orange lines all that that's palantir AI Maps I'll see our minefields
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and tank ditches and what's called Dragon's Teeth barbed wire that sort of thing this is a multi-layered Russian
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defense in depth U.S advertises the 44 billion dollars in military equipment it
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has committed to Ukraine but says very little about the equally valuable intelligence do you share what you know
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about Russian troop movements with Ukraine our intelligence pipes to Ukraine are quite open uh for sure and
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of course the CIA and interagency NSX all those guys so but there's pretty open pipes on Intel to Ukraine so are
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you helping Ukraine select Targets target selection and authority to strike
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is with Ukraine what we do is provide them situational awareness would you tell them there's a command post over
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there there's an ammunition dump over there we'll give them the situational awareness uh as best we can tell so this
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really is a uh a proxy war you don't have boots on the ground you're not making decisions but you're helping
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Ukraine kill Russians we're helping Ukraine defend themselves is what we're doing the Ukrainian goal is to reach he
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doesn't say that it's not a proxy war he's basically like yeah pretty much right
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so he says he says what people like you know uh Mitt Romney I I there's uh
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Lindsey Graham have have all been saying which is you know this is actually a wonderful situation for us this is kind
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of what he's getting at oh we we get to degrade Russia's military capabilities quote unquote without actually having to
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expend any American blood just hundreds of billions of dollars of taxpayer money
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so to your point about uh you know the Ukrainian government having been basically turned into a shell
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that's controlled by whether it's the U.S military private corporations like palantir depending on
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Elon Musk or the you know us and EU feasting off it uh like vultures on
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behalf of Corp corporations in Wall Street here's a perfect example of that
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here's Tony blinken appointing Penny pritzker as the U.S Special representative for Ukraine's economic
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recovery she will work with Ukraine's government International Partners in the private sector to accelerate Ukraine's
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economic transformation I can't think of anyone who better exemplifies the
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exploitative predatory nature of the economic relationship between the
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US and Ukraine than Penny pritzker who's got this phony position now to basically
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bring U.S corporations in to strip what's left of Ukrainian public assets off under the cover of War penny
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pritzker is from the notorious pritzker clan of Chicago which founded the Hyatt
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Corporation with money from organized crime and stashed that money in an
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offshore bank that had been set up by the oss the Forerunner to the CIA and
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was also being used to wash Meyer Lansky's money while he was operating in
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Cuba when that story was exposed in the Kansas City Star and I think 1982
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Penny pritzker's father attempted to purchase the newspaper in order to
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disappear that story from existence Penny pritzker herself as I pointed out
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here was placed on the board of her family's Superior Bank which they bought with
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government money are taxpayer money 625 billion dollars of it and then ran the
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bank into the ground through a subprime mortgage scheme which left over 1400 uninsured depositors penniless they lost
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all their savings and there was nothing they could do while the pritzker family
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uh got wealthier and wealthier Penny pritzker was basically given over 50
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million dollars from her family trust to just spend as she wished in 2008 when
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she came up for uh as a nominee for uh kind of thing Commerce secretary under Obama she had to withdraw our nomination
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because she couldn't handle questions about this but he eventually got her in there because you know she's basically
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at the top of the democratic party Chicago machine her brother I think it's
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her brother JB is the governor of Illinois he's a fairly Progressive governor
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um you know there's there's a lot to say about the pritzker family but it's very very revealing that this special
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position has been created by the state department for Penny pritzker to preside
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over what's left of Ukraine's economy as I say Slava Wall Street
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so well she I mean what is that position going to be basically just kind of an Auctioneer for BlackRock exactly
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snatching up little bits of Industries uh desirable territories and then selling them off uh not even to the
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highest bidder because you know I don't even get the sense that there's really a real competition going on it's just a
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handful of companies that are all owned by the same company uh you know
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snatching up whatever they can for as cheap as possible
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yeah um it's very similar to
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the the relationship between the US and Ukraine in in many ways is similar to the U.S
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relationship with another country that's been destroyed by War but it was destroyed by a direct U.S
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intervention and that of was done under the watch of Barack Obama
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and that's Libya yeah so here here's Barack Obama commenting
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on the natural disaster which is actually a man-made disaster in Libya where in the city of Darna
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dams burst causing floods which killed 5 000 people and
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it is a unbelievable disaster upon many disasters which Libya has experienced I
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was actually listening to an interview with the former information Minister under the
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deposed and destroyed government of former Libyan president murdered Libyan president Muammar Gaddafi on RT
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the information Minister said that those dams in derna were up for inspection in
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2012 but the country was split in half thanks to NATO's intervention in 2011 so
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they never got inspected so here's Barack Obama here's this one tweet on Libya
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if you're looking to help people impacted by the floods in Libya check out these organizations providing relief
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and then it goes to the Obama Foundation which is recommending that people donate
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to the Red Cross and Oxfam and um you know a bunch of basically the
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development industry that's cashing going to cash in on Libya's disaster and
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much of the money probably most of the money with the Red Cross will go to administrative costs and in other words
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paying paper pushing staff so this is disgusting Barack Obama comes in destroys a country
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and then he just says check out these organizations that are helping and I'm going to go have dinner with Steven Spielberg and Bruce Springsteen after uh
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the boss's concert Michelle's going to play tambourine let me be clear I enjoy cooking in Martha's Vineyard
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my chef had uh very good swimming lessons
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here's a good swimmer and uh check out myself check out these
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organizations but this is the this is the response from mainstream media and all of the major officials who
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participated intimately in the destruction of Libya which led you could which where you can draw a straight line
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between This Disaster and the intervention
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uh Samantha power was one of the key figures Who convinced Obama actually
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Obama knows that it was a disaster he was upset about it and he actually was
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in many ways blaming Samantha power in the media afterwards for what he called the biggest mistake of his
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administration here's Samantha power the because the flooding has killed a lot of people so usaid she's this you know
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director general of usaid now uh just deployed a Disaster Assistance
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Response Team oh it's giving him one million dollars one million dollars thanks a lot
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thanks for nothing like a million bucks how much did it cost to destroy Libya probably a lot
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more and how much damage did it cause to Libya hundreds of billions of dollars
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and so as I and you yeah go ahead Samantha power afterwards
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yeah I mean her quote after the war when she was challenged about it was we could hardly expect to have a crystal ball
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when it came to accurately predicting outcomes in places where the culture was not our own I mean what better
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distillation of the colonial mindset of the usaid the responsibility to protect
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liberal interventionists who destroyed Libya and the whole development industry the aid industry that's now coming to
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Libya could there be than that we didn't know when we wanted to destroy the government of this country what was
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going to happen because it was a different culture but we did it anyway and hey some people we tortured some it's like
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Obama's saying we tortured some folks well and that's that quote came from her new book or well a book yeah three four
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years ago and I actually had the chance to challenge her on this I went to her book signing and I made the fatal error
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of not purchasing a book and you know that I would have had a chance to uh talk to her a little bit longer but I
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got up in her in her face and I recorded it and I said well uh you know you I I
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now notice that in your book you said we could hardly expect to have a crystal ball when it came to accurately
35:10
predicting outcomes uh did you have a crystal ball for Syria right did you
35:16
learn your lesson after Libya did you get acquire this new magical crystal ball and you know did you decide to
35:22
apply that those lessons to Syria of course she didn't refuse to answer my
35:27
questions she called security uh security tried to chase me out of the building uh they missed me on the
35:33
elevator and I saw them running their way up the stairs as I was walking out uh but uh yeah probably faster than any
35:41
of those security guards that ever run in their lives um you know
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heaven heaven forbid a politician in DC faced one single moment of uh you know
35:53
skeptical questioning um and that was that was right before covet happened you know that was one of
35:59
the last chances that I got to actually kind of uh Stick it to any of these people and and just ask them the
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questions that the mainstream media the Legacy Media would ask them if they were
36:11
made up of anything more than corporate stenographers uh but then of course covet happened all of these things
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became remote uh and ever since it's been basically impossible to talk to any
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of these people and to kind of get them on the record ask them these uncomfortable questions
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um and uh you know I I uh I kind of wish it it was still possible I I certainly
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would have much more of a desire to live in Washington DC if it was
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well it is increasingly possible but there were years when it it wasn't uh
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and that was pretty frustrating for me but sometimes you just gotta bum rush the show like I did when Rachel Maddow
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was speaking uh because they don't want to take questions anyway even if they're in person and we saw Samantha power at
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this big rollout for the state and a smartphone Dia app she wasn't going to take any questions here's the BBC on
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Libya's disaster completely context-free tweet I guess there aren't any Community
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notes on it Libya was once one of Africa's most prosperous countries but years of lawlessness have left it in
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a fragile divided state ill-prepared to cope with the forces Unleashed by a natural disaster I wonder what could
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have contributed to the forces of lawlessness I wonder what that could have been
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well the the problem is there there was I believe a community note uh on this on
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this uh on this tweet uh explaining just that I'm trying to pull it up I I'm not
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seeing it anywhere I believe it was the second time that uh this
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the you know some kind of anti-nato critical uh
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uh note was uh posted and then very quickly uh unposted uh the same thing
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happened last month when uh NATO made a post describing uh their supposed
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defensive orientation uh last month uh they uh and we've got
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this here in the document uh they made this extremely bizarre post
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saying quote let's get our fats straight NATO is a defensive Alliance aiming to
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safeguard its member nations and I totally destroyed them they got ratio to
38:40
Hell uh I posted some photos
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yeah and uh in former Yugoslavia this is what Belgrade looked like after NATO
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defensively bombed it for 78 days killing over 2 000 civilians and
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uh here well this originally prompted a a
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community note which explained that uh NATO is not a defensive Alliance it said
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that NATO quote NATO assured Soviet leaders not to expand Eastward one inch it's well
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documented they cited NSA archive documents which prove exactly that and
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then the same note Community note said that NATO also conducted several Wars and operations as a great as aggressor
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like in Yugoslavia and Libya but within hours this community note was deleted
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I'm sure after some frantic incredulous calls between some NATO uh operative and
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the community notes uh staff someone at Twitter someone at Big Tech and that
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note was removed and then shortly thereafter it was replaced with another one that said quote whilst the number of
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the was the number of Civilian death toll is concerning you like that construction like clearly some idiot
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pretending to be smart misspelled death toll and they threw in wilst you know a
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sure sign of somebody trying to sound smarter than they are whilst the number of Civilian death toll is concerning a
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realistic assessment would place the number at around 488 to 527 according to
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Human Rights Watch the 2000 death toll figure comes from the Yugoslav government a number which
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hasn't been verified yeah so it's like uh it's just it's you know NATO and it's
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I don't know if it's bot army or whatever impressed upon X the need to decontextualize your Tweet
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and whitewash their reputation that they're putting forward as a defensive alliance against obviously against the
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wishes of the consensus which it was responsible for the original Community note and this happened this is
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increasingly happening as uh we see the attempts to bring Elon Musk to heal
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so it's depressing but back to back to Libya I mean there's an obvious effort
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right now to whitewash a deliberate effort to whitewash the context out of
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the discussion for one of the worst natural disasters this year across the
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globe because it wasn't a natural disaster it was an unnatural disaster and people like Samantha power should be
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held accountable for it people like Barack Obama should be held accountable for it and they're still holding
41:34
government positions it's remarkable what we're seeing from I mean even the
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Washington Post well here's here's the BBC's security correspondent who's a
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complete stenographer for the British National Security State Frank Gardner he wrote
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that the crisis has been compounded by Libya's dysfunctional politics
41:57
in the country lacking the security and stability that its people crave no mention of 2011. then then the chief
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Middle East you know how those people are yeah they just crave security but
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they're people are just wild Savages together it wasn't like they were there you know yeah exactly it's just a
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dysfunctional bunch of brown people they just it's not as though they had the most prosperous stable country and a
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completely stable country on the African continent prior to 2011.
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uh and then Quentin Somerville the Middle East correspondent for BBC comes in this is a radio report so
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um I'm just reading it there are many countries that could have handled flooding on this scale I wonder why but
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not one as troubled as Libya it has had a long and painful decade Civil Wars local conflicts and Dern itself was
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taken over by ISIS the city was bombed to remove them from there so Civil Wars and local conflicts it doesn't mention
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regime change Wars or that the British State actually armed
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one group after spawning a Civil War the Libyan Islamic fighting group
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who trained Salman abedi who then went into Syria to fight with ISIS
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and that the Royal Navy then gave Salman abedi and his father who fought with the Libyan Islamic
43:22
fighting group of literal a ride from Libya back to the UK on a royal Navy ship
43:29
back to Manchester UK where the MI6 ran a ring of Libyan Islam of Libyan Exiles
43:37
anti-qadhafi Exiles and Salman abedi proceeded to use the training he received from the lifg which is an
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Al-Qaeda Ally in Libya and Isis to carry out the worst terror attack in British
43:50
history killing dozens and dozens of girls
43:55
at an Ariana Grande concert Grande concert
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and that that episode was also deliberately decontextualized
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the overrunning of jihadist Bandits through the Sahel region from through
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Northern Mali all the way to Burkina Faso as a result of the Libyan disaster
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has been whitewashed out of history now as one government after another Falls to
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military juntas responding to the public call for security
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this is it's so it's very frustrating to watch this and I think accountability there's still
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why what you tried to do uh with Samantha power and we need to continue
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to do that to try to hold them accountable in public for this vast crime
44:53
um and it's the kind of thing that uh journalists refuse to do the Washington
44:59
Post has a headline it's everyone is to blame for Libya I mean this one at least by ishan tarore who is a complete tool
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who is like supporting the Syria regime change operation and is their foreign policy kind of wonk it at least mentions
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the Libyan regime change war in the beginning but the headline is designed to just
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dilute the conversation and it makes everyone dumb that's why
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everyone in Washington is so dumb because they don't want they don't want anyone to know that they don't want
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anyone to read history well only 400 people died in Yugoslavia
45:37
it was okay it was good we didn't use depleted uranium in belgrad we didn't bomb the national TV
45:45
station and kill makeup artists it was just a few hundred people according to
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um our new community note I mean
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we don't need a Human Rights Watch one of the most notorious you know uh NGO
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industrial complex leaders uh which receives over 100 million dollars from
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the open Society Foundation from George Soros uh Human Rights Watch yeah one of
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one of the worst when it comes to supposed human rights organizations uh
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you know that's an acceptable Source the Yugoslav government what would they know you know how could they possibly know
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human well Human Rights Watch was run by Ken Roth who he was an open supporter
46:32
of that military intervention Ken Roth was an open supporter of military intervention in Libya Ken Roth was an
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open supporter of regime change war in Syria Ken Roth was an open supporter of the coup in Bolivia and he's running a
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human rights organization and he's going and hanging out at the state department
46:52
under Obama and you know who else supported all these in writing at the New York Review of Books which he funds
46:58
George Soros he called for direct military intervention in Syria in the New York
47:04
Review of Books so it's not like some George Soros conspiracy that he wanted to topple these countries with his money
47:10
and was using his Empire of influence to do so it might be an anti-semitic stereotype
47:16
for a guy to try to do that it's definitely evil but it's on the record
47:23
um yeah right if he doesn't want to play into you know anti-semitic stereotypes
47:29
then he should perhaps not try to rule the world with his money and influence and get rid of every government he
47:36
doesn't like by force of necessary yeah I mean I believe you know we are a
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chosen people we're chosen to be good so if you don't want to be good we're not chosen to take over some you know
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take to take control or chosen to be or uh you know
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above anyone else and I don't think anyone believes that but maybe anti-semites do but I think you know you
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have a responsibility to represent and George Soros like Sheldon Adelson
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has chosen to be one of the to to basically be the manifestation of an
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anti-semitic stereotype uh and why is it not disgusting to
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people who all these you know there's a lot of writing about George Soros now because
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he's handing over his Empire to his son Alex and so there's a lot of coverage in mainstream media of George soros's
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Legacy why is it not disgusting to people that someone who obtained vast wealth through parasitic Financial
48:40
practices is able to actually decide who comes into power in governments around the
48:46
world through an Empire of influence why is that not upsetting to people why is it just brushed off as an anti-semitic
48:52
conspiracy because he is operating as David Ignatius wrote In 1991 in the
48:58
Washington Post as an overt operator of U.S intelligence he's doing what they
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want the moment he stops as Elon Musk did with Crimea and starlink then he'll
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become the official enemy and then they'll start deploying the same rhetoric that they denounced before as
49:16
anti-semitic against him but George Soros has always played ball because it advances what does he want he just wants
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global capitalism because that's how he got rich that's the open Society he wants global capitalism with you know
49:29
gay pride parades and what what it comes down to is you know the
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idea that criticizing him is inherently anti-semitic it's kind of this new weaponization of identity of identity
49:43
politics uh the deployment of specific people in specific areas to be able to
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deflect any legitimate criticism as somehow racist or sexist or in the case
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of uh the next person I was wanting to discuss uh transphobic uh Sarah late
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transition great transition wise right well uh that's all everybody's
50:11
been talking about today here in uh in Moscow at least uh is this insane video
50:17
published by Sarah Ashton Cirillo the new uh spokesperson of the Ukrainian
50:24
military English spokesperson absolutely right uh just absolutely unhinged uh
50:31
diatribe it's uh it's it's hard to believe it was real a lot of people a
50:37
lot of the anti-russian voices I was going to call them pro-ukrainian voices but they're not there's nothing
50:42
pro-ukrainian about sentencing hundreds of thousands of boys to die for a proxy war for black rocks profits uh these
50:50
anti-russian NATO trolls and all these uh people on social media were spending
50:56
the better part of the day insisting that this video is fake that it was somehow a Russian deep fake
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um and that actually respond to a a further video from Sarah Ashton cerullo
51:08
and uh this person insisted no this is real uh this is absolutely real uh
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attempted to clarify that they weren't necessarily talking about hunting down uh Russians in the streets but uh let's
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take a look at this video it's because it's just uh it's almost beyond belief
51:27
how rabid it is yeah I mean I had named this stream
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Goodbye Horses but I can't play the the song from one of the most famous
51:40
scenes of Silence of the Lambs because I can't layer it over this diatribe by
51:47
this Ukrainian military official spokesperson Sarah Ashton Cirillo
51:52
because uh it would violate YouTube terms of using licensed music and we
51:57
would be demonetized so just sing it in your head if you've seen Silence of the Lambs just kind of hum along as you
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watch this Russia hates the truth that their obsessive focus on a Ukrainian volunteer is simply allowing the light
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of the Ukrainian nation's honesty to shine brightly next week the teeth of the Russian
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Devils will Nash ever harder and the Rabid mouths will foam in uncontrollable frenzy as the world will see a favorite
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Gremlin propagandist hey for their crimes and this puppet of poo is only
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the first Russia's war criminal propagandus will all be hunted down and
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Justice will be served as we in Ukraine are LED on this Mission by faith in God
52:39
Liberty and complete liberation so they are calling
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promising the murder of what they call a Kremlin propagandist and we're called Kremlin propagandists by our enemies so
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it could just be anyone basically the murder of a journalist who doesn't report what they don't like and
52:58
promising that they will only be the first and there have been many already I mean they're killing media figures inside Russia left and
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right literary figures Daria dugina was deliberately targeted in a Ukrainian sbu
53:11
operation and killed spokesperson
53:19
this is official yeah uh number number of journalists
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have already been targeted killed uh Daria and in bombings right bombings in
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civilian areas bombings and civilian buildings uh there's no other word for
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it but terrorism uh and this obviously comes as president zielinski himself uh
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has is threatening terrorism openly uh in an interview with the economist this
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is uh uh really kind of a terror wave as as you
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described it the the the idea here being and and I think it's worth pulling up
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this this tweet you made so this is zielinsky in an interview uh about five
54:08
days ago with the with the economist curtailing Aid to Ukraine will only
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prolong the war Mr zielinski argues and it would create risks for the West in its own backyard there's no way of
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predicting how the millions of Ukrainian refugees and European countries would react to their country being abandoned
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that's the words of the economist ukrainians have generally quote behaved well and are very grateful zielinski
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says to those who sheltered them they will not forget that generosity but it would not be a quote good story for
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Europe if it were to quote Drive these people into a corner so what could zolenski be implying the
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same at around the same week that one of his top English prop language propagandists
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is threatening or promising the assassination of journalists foreign
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journalists well let's break this down right because what this means is we're going to take
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all these billions hundreds of billions uh on weapons right training funding and
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what we're going to do is openly threaten to use it against you if you don't give us more this is the same
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thing that Al Qaeda did that the mujahideen did and then Osama Bin Laden
55:30
decided he'd been betrayed by the West which didn't want to fund him anymore you no longer became useful once uh
55:38
Afghanistan succeeded right this this mujahideen in Afghanistan succeeded they
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managed to use it to bring down the Soviet Union it was no longer useful the
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funding and the arms dried up and who did he turn his sights on right so this is it's the same exact
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thing um and I would say you know that these people don't learn their lessons but I think that's being too charitable they
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know exactly what they're doing uh this is all kind of part of the plan right and then and then we'll have
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justification for the next war on terror right then we can continue to have a reason to spend all of our money
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combating Terror instead of uh building any infrastructure uh doing anything for
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the masses of homeless people that now populate every major Metropolitan Center in the United States uh you know
56:27
providing any resources for people at home uh you know all of that is is going
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to be off the table for the foreseeable future once we have this Terror wave that zielinski is now threatening us
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with if we don't give him what he wants yeah and we've written before about uh Italian
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police breaking up as of related plots by returning Fighters uh to blow up
56:54
police facilities and terrorize the country we've written about American
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foreign Fighters um basically hiding like Craig Lang from murder charges in the U.S these are
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hardcore white supremacists but nazolensky is referring to the entire
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mass of Ukrainian refugees in order to threaten and intimidate the
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west and to continue to provide him with Advanced military systems weapon systems it also kind of reminds me of erdogan
57:27
exploiting Syrian refugees and unleashing them into Europe every time
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he fails to get what he wants in negotiations uh basically using masses
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of people as a negotiating tool really shows the cynicism of the government in
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Kiev and well the the aid is going to
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the aid is going to decrease Tony blinken was in Kiev to basically
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tell zelenski that the political headwinds in Washington and in the U.S are too intense
58:02
to continue to provide Aid at the same level I think Angelina bareback the German foreign minister was there for
58:07
the same reason and they're trying to Edge him into some kind of negotiations I don't see why
58:13
Russia would enter into them now given their success on the battlefield that's the situation diplomatically that
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Lincoln created by stifling a ceasefire and stifling negotiations throughout 2022
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uh but now zolenski's threatening a terror wave across Europe and Europe of course is going to Bear the brunt what
58:31
what does Washington care it's not going to happen here how many Ukrainian refugees have we taken in here how many Syrian refugees do we take in here
58:38
Europe always has to Bear the Brunt Germany took in one million Syrian refugees
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the U.S took in what sixty thousand fifty thousand I mean the U.S drives all of these
58:52
insane proxy wars and then it destabilizes Europe and who benefits in Europe I mean this was the main thesis
58:58
of my 2019 book the management of savagery the right wing
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that and then the U.S says oh democracy is under threat brexit it's your fault and it's the fault specifically of the
59:09
liberal interventionists the Samantha Powers the Hillary Clinton's the The Joe coxes in the UK
59:16
um the Hillary bends The Cure starmers it's
59:21
their fault so back to Sarah Ashton Cirillo
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Wyatt they yeah formerly known as Michael Cirillo a democratic very shady
59:35
Democratic operative from Las Vegas whose real story has yet to be
59:41
fully told I don't know I mean there's so there's there's a wild story there how they wound up being a democratic
59:48
operative in Las Vegas uh trapping proud boys
59:53
through various unusual schemes into committing illicit acts that got them
59:59
jailed or whatever into becoming an official spokesperson for the Ukrainian military without even
1:00:06
speaking Russian or Ukrainian how that happened is an unusual story
1:00:11
um I mean I guess I don't know to illustrate the in the weirdness of this
1:00:17
Saga and sorry but any normal P person will see this is is just extremely weird and
1:00:23
not take seriously uh and not take this person seriously
1:00:29
except as a if a a repulsive reflection
1:00:37
of the Ukrainian militaries presentation of the world this was Sarah Ashton Cirillo as Michael
1:00:44
Cirillo when they were a democratic operative and liberal activist in Nevada just a few years ago like not long ago
1:00:52
I'm going to be leaving to the United States I've been here in Europe for six weeks checked in on video several times
1:00:58
and this afternoon here in Frankfurt I had the opportunity to visit the Frankfurt book fair which is a
1:01:05
tremendous International exhibition of Publishers and authors writers and other ancillary parts of the writing industry
1:01:13
but the most important thing I found was this little postcard and in German it says
1:01:20
and right below it it reads hashtag free the words it's a movement against
1:01:26
censorship a censorship movement against censorship Europe and plaguing a lot of the nation-states that uh are found
1:01:33
across the globe and so I'm hoping to put up this video and if anybody sees it remember
1:01:39
don't be afraid to speak your mind and with words comes for freedom thank you rewards comes Freedom how
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ironic and so when Sarah action chirilla was a man named Michael Cirillo uh who
1:01:53
seemed very comfortable about being a man not very long ago before they took on an entirely new identity
1:02:00
they were denouncing censorship and now Sarah Ashton Cirillo the
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transgender spokesperson for the Ukrainian military has put you on a new list Wyatt uh and
1:02:14
you know I was calling for you to be silenced and they're calling for the killing of journalists with no
1:02:21
denunciation from the U.S nothing from the committee to protect journalists or any International NGO in condemnation uh
1:02:28
what's going on there Wyatt well it was not actually Sarah Ashton
1:02:34
cirilla who created this list this was originally published by Ukraine's Ambassador for strategic Communications
1:02:41
a man named Olex Sherba um but I real quick before we get into
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that I did want to add in terms of what you you were describing as kind of this
1:02:53
um this blowback of uh U.S policy um and and and you mentioned that why
1:03:00
would Russia want to negotiate um because of course at this point they
1:03:05
wouldn't right and they would see the fact that the United States is now willing to negotiate is basically a
1:03:10
concession that things are not going the way the West wanted them to um basically this the same way that the
1:03:18
West imposed sanctions on Russia they predicted that they would turn the ruble into Rubble uh that didn't happen uh if
1:03:26
anything it it allowed Russia to strengthen then it's domestic
1:03:33
economic base all the companies that that left McDonald's and Starbucks they
1:03:41
left these massive operations more or less intact which then Russian business
1:03:46
people were able to take over very quickly have all the employees
1:03:53
already trained on how to make everything on how to run these businesses they basically just handed
1:03:58
the keys over to Russian Russian entrepreneurs the same thing is
1:04:05
basically happening on the military front right we had Lloyd Austin predicting back in April of 2022 or
1:04:13
rather explaining in April 2022 that quote we want to see Russia weakened to
1:04:18
the degree that it can't do the things it has done in invading Ukraine right so
1:04:23
that was the admission very very straightforwardly not that this has anything to do with democracy which of
1:04:29
course doesn't exist in Ukraine which is now under martial law uh which has no plans to hold elections zelenski has
1:04:36
said that he won't even think about holding elections unless he gets 5 billion from the West
1:04:42
um but the point was rather to weaken Russia and what has happened instead
1:04:47
well now Russia is weakening NATO Russia is effectively demilitarized Ukraine and
1:04:53
destroyed all of its equipment and is now destroying all of the NATO equipment that is going to that has been getting
1:04:58
shipped in all of the well tanks the leper tanks well plenty of it right
1:05:04
enough that it is clearly impacted a number of Western countries military Readiness and their ability to to fight
1:05:11
uh so to me it's it's kind of it's it's just it's Looney Tunes level uh Wiley
1:05:19
Coyote kind of tactics where the Roadrunner just keeps just keeps you know blowing up uh Wiley Coyote who no
1:05:26
matter what he wants to do just can't seem to do anything right but getting back to this uh Sarah Ashton Cirillo
1:05:34
story uh yeah I've now been placed on yet another list uh for the crime of
1:05:42
witnessing elections um of traveling to territory that Ukraine claims as its own uh despite
1:05:50
widespread sentiment among the people who live there to the contrary uh the I
1:05:56
I witnessed uh elections as they were being held in uh zaparosa and for this
1:06:03
crime I have been added to another list this one produced by an organization
1:06:10
called Democratic Integrity I've been placed on a handful of other lists and
1:06:15
another uh Ukrainian hit piece attacking me as well uh basically calling me uh
1:06:22
you a vulture uh this this original tweet by Alexander Sherba the Ambassador
1:06:29
for strategic Communications at Ukraine's Ministry of Foreign Affairs the former Ukrainian ambassador to
1:06:36
Austria says the list of international observers in scare quotes who came to
1:06:41
occupy Ukraine to enable the occupation in genocide these aren't quote unquote
1:06:46
useful idiots these are vultures feeding on Ukraine's suffering another threat uh
1:06:52
this one a little bit more bailed this follows threats uh Threat by Anthony blinken himself of uh sanctions and
1:07:00
visual restrictions against anyone who served as an election Observer for these
1:07:07
elections or anyone really who came uh to these territories at all I myself was
1:07:13
placed on Ukraine's notorious uh Peacemaker kill list last year after I
1:07:19
went to Crimea within two days of making it to Russia I was placed on this list
1:07:26
uh that has had no uh dozens and dozens of people who have been placed on this
1:07:31
list have been killed and then subsequently marked liquidated over their face in Big Red Letters in
1:07:39
Ukrainian uh another obvious threat against my physical safety for my my
1:07:46
reporting and my coverage and my failure to toe the line in terms of what the
1:07:52
state Department's preferred regime in Kiev wants to have broadcast
1:07:59
and then within uh you know a couple weeks of that my hotel in Danette was struck just two
1:08:09
hours after I arrived with a 155 millimeter Nato standard artillery shell as I was returning from a restaurant I
1:08:16
was about 100 meters away uh I don't have any proof that they were necessarily targeting me it's entirely
1:08:23
plausible they were simply targeting this hotel the Don bass Palace that's known to host journalists and
1:08:30
international figures certainly uh no indication that I myself was personally
1:08:35
targeted but the fact of the matter is uh they are certainly targeting other
1:08:40
people on this list there are a number of people who've been killed who've been placed on this list many of them many of
1:08:48
the people on this list are children I believe her name is uh Faina
1:08:53
um I'm blanking on her last name a 13 year old seven kova yeah so
1:09:00
plenty of people here have have real reason to worry for their personal
1:09:06
physical integrity and uh you know at this point it's it's just another list to add to the lists that they've listed
1:09:12
me on well uh
1:09:18
stay safe out there Wyatt I don't know uh but but but I think the
1:09:23
important thing is that to not be intimidated we're not intimidated we're not going to be
1:09:29
intimidated by some freak Show uh threatening to kill everybody
1:09:34
uh I think what what we need to do again is hold the U.S government accountable
1:09:42
this is because this is a U.S government War the US government's paying for U.S
1:09:49
citizen Cirillo to be barking out these bizarre serial
1:09:55
killer Level Threats against journalists
1:10:01
and so they need to be called out onto the mat for that for sponsoring
1:10:07
everything the Ukrainian government does and every NGO needs to be called up and
1:10:15
asked and anyone who's watching this can do it you can call and email Human Rights Watch the committee to protect
1:10:21
journalists Amnesty International the freedom of the press foundation and ask what they think about this U.S backed
1:10:29
U.S citizen in Kiev calling for the mass murder of journalists who don't
1:10:36
basically don't say what the Ukrainian government wants and the targeting of
1:10:41
Wyatt read right here none of them have said a word not one word
1:10:47
so white I know you have to go I don't know if there's anything you want to add yeah I will just say
1:10:55
this is a point I've made many times no no one in the western media aside from
1:11:00
useful idiots Katie Halper uh Aaron mate
1:11:06
no one in the U.S media said a damn word about me getting added to this list
1:11:11
about my hotel being struck I was told that I was going to be reached out to by
1:11:18
someone at The Intercept that of course never happened uh it's not convenient to report this stuff uh it's it it just
1:11:27
just goes against the narrative it makes it makes it too clear that what we are
1:11:33
pursuing Ukraine has nothing to do with democracy or human rights or liberal values in the slightest
1:11:38
um and I will just say under I I added another link to this because I this is an another list that I found myself
1:11:45
added on to uh this one called fakeobservers.org which is run by the
1:11:51
European platform for Democratic elections entirely funded or almost entirely funded by the European Union
1:11:57
and the German government um it's filled with inaccuracies misinformation lies about me uh they
1:12:05
even misspell my name at one point uh they incorrectly claim that I work for Sputnik I do not work for Sputnik
1:12:11
anymore and then they claim that I worked for the gray Zone when I covered the referendums last year also not true
1:12:19
um but uh what it is is uh another example of basically our money in the
1:12:25
west being used to violate our own rights and prevent us from going out to
1:12:31
tell the truth about what's happening in the world uh the the mainstream media of
1:12:36
course could come and discuss what's happening they could send reporters to the Don
1:12:42
bass there are no restrictions against them they would be allowed in uh that's
1:12:48
what I've been told by by officials in these new territories uh it's just that
1:12:53
they choose not to despite having billion dollar budgets despite having more than enough resources to come uh to
1:12:59
cover this they choose instead to cover it up um and that's again why they are
1:13:06
threatening people uh with sanctions with visa restrictions it's why they
1:13:12
tried to freeze our GoFundMe it's why they have permanently Banned Me from PayPal and from venmo because they want
1:13:20
to prevent their people from knowing the truth they want to prevent our people
1:13:25
from knowing the truth so they punish anybody who actually tries to tell the
1:13:30
truth uh so that's where we are now it's it's a slippery slope it's gotten
1:13:37
increasingly dangerous in the past few years and I'm worried that with the
1:13:42
escalations the decision now to send attackum's missiles which seems to be on the horizon something that was dismissed
1:13:49
like the idea of sending f-16s as a needless escalation that could potentially bring us to the cusp of
1:13:55
World War III now all of that is on the table the gloves are off there's nothing
1:14:00
that they won't do to win re-election and to win this or or continue I should
1:14:08
say this proxy war with Russia so everything is fair game and it doesn't
1:14:15
matter how many ukrainians have to die it doesn't matter how many of our rights our basic fundamental rights they have
1:14:20
to violate it seems at this point they're willing to do anything
1:14:27
indeed whether they'll be able to is another story but the gloves are off
1:14:36
uh wyatta as I said I know you had to I know you have to go I'm going to just uh respond to one
1:14:42
super chat but thanks thanks for joining us this week and good luck out there
1:14:49
appreciate it take care guys all right you and maybe you'll get some
1:14:55
sleep in Kentucky sooner or later I will thanks Mike all
1:15:00
right peace all right so
1:15:07
I wanted to conclude but I I do want to address one Super Chat because it was something I wanted to talk about I'm not
1:15:12
really prepared with um all of the elements but this is uh Buckeye fan 05
1:15:19
care to comment on the recent developments of the Cornell West Camp and this is our reference I really wish
1:15:28
I had all the video elements here to illustrate some of the points I want to make I want to try to make it quick but
1:15:34
there's obviously a reference to Jimmy dore's interview with Cornell West in which Jimmy doors I mean it got very
1:15:40
testy and antagonistic and Jimmy Dore was challenging Cornell West's
1:15:47
his messaging around his presidential campaign and saying I don't know who's advising you here it seems like your
1:15:52
advisor is some kind of infiltrator because the messaging you're using is just no one understands what you're saying and it's going to only appeal to
1:15:59
a tiny slice of the electorate and it's going to alienate everyone else if you're just saying we need to stop Trump
1:16:06
the neo-fascist white supremacist uh and then kind of treating Biden with kid gloves and Jimmy
1:16:13
was predicting that he was going to basically endorse Biden and I think Jimmy's made some more
1:16:19
articulate points since the interview took place but it was such a reveal it was a very revealing look at Cornell
1:16:26
West as a presidential candidate I like Cornell personally he's been very encouraging in my work I
1:16:33
really like what he did at the tail end of the Obama era I think he what what he did in 2015 was extremely appropriate
1:16:41
just addressing how Barack Obama had failed Black America specifically but had sold out all of his 2008 promises
1:16:49
which I knew he was going to do and I really appreciate Cornell West uh calling out tanahisi coats this pet
1:16:57
project of the liberal establishment as their uh fake James Baldwin who was
1:17:03
going to represent himself as some kind of radical black intellectual while basically just being a hagiographer for
1:17:10
Obama who also was completely talentless and Cornell West showed that you know he
1:17:16
was the emperor had no clothes but the same thing can be done to Cornell West he needs to realize that if he's going
1:17:22
to run for president he has to be held accountable and this this needs to be
1:17:28
recognized about Jimmy Dore Jimmy Dore has held accountable everybody who's
1:17:33
running for president who has interviewed with him I think Jimmy is sympathetic to RFK Jr because of his
1:17:40
stance on the Ukraine war and on kovid those are two Jimmy's main issues but he
1:17:46
still held him accountable on Israel and brought me on and it kind of knocked the wind out of his sails at least with the
1:17:52
anti-war and anti-establishment left Jimmy didn't have to do that he held
1:17:58
Marion Williamson accountable on the Ukraine war and so he why is he supposed to give Cornell West a free pass when
1:18:04
Cornell West is using this very Arcane Boutique left language and speaking
1:18:10
purely in boilerplate I'm going to stand up against white supremacy and uh and
1:18:16
homophobia and male Supremacy and that's what a true revolutionary does and he's not offering any political program at
1:18:24
all at all I don't see anything and so I think it was entirely appropriate for
1:18:29
Jimmy to hold him to account and to force him to address
1:18:35
some of the kind of contradictions in his actions and his rhetoric
1:18:41
where Biden is president now and Cornell West doesn't seem to be running against Biden all of his rhetoric is directed
1:18:46
against much of his rhetoric or the disproportionate amount of it is directed against Trump
1:18:52
here's what I think was exposed through this exchange and I mean most people are
1:18:58
focusing on some rancorous
1:19:03
exchanges at the beginning but it's important to go towards the end where Jimmy uh Grill challenges Cornell West
1:19:12
on his view of the Trump indictments and of the whole campaign to basically
1:19:18
prevent Donald Trump from running for office and what Jimmy's talking about is what many people call the Deep State you
1:19:25
could call it the National Security State but it's basically
1:19:30
the rigging of democracy to prevent a candidate who's seen as a rogue in just
1:19:36
as Bernie Sanders in some ways was and as Cornell West would be if he actually was threatening The Establishment as a
1:19:42
presidential candidate using the law to prevent him from running for office just finessing all of these indictments and
1:19:49
then you know finessing indictments that sentence uh proud boys to over 20 years
1:19:55
in prison for riots that they didn't even participate in and Cornell West he said
1:20:02
well I'm in deep solidarity with the people in cop City who are getting hit with the RICO Act the way Trump is but
1:20:08
I'm not in deep solidarity with Donald Trump I'm not in deep solidarity with the proud boys so I don't care about
1:20:15
that and then he accuses Jimmy of supporting Trump because he he brings those issues up
1:20:22
and that's the problem with Cornell West's presidential campaign it's not about your deep solidarity it's about
1:20:30
it's about the system that we're living under and it will hurt the people that you're
1:20:35
in deep solidarity with but it's using the people that are more threatening to it at the current moment at this impasse
1:20:43
as in order to set a new standard for prosecuting protest and Cornell West
1:20:49
won't even address that because he because he's he he because they're white supremacists or transphobes or
1:20:55
homophobes right now you have such a huge opportunity in this country if you're an
1:21:01
anti-establishment independent candidate to reach out to people who just want to give the system a giant middle finger
1:21:08
because they see that it's been against them since they lost their homes during the Foreclosure crisis since
1:21:15
uh that they see it's against them because it's giving hundreds of billions of dollars to Ukraine and the people in
1:21:21
Hawaii got 700 bucks each they see that it's against them because their preferred candidate Donald Trump is
1:21:27
being targeted with lawfare and was falsely branded as a Russian agent for years and years with no evidence at all
1:21:35
so Cornell West is not running an anti-establishment campaign that can reach out to those people and actually
1:21:41
if he sees them as white supremacists or fascists well if they hear him and they say well wait a minute this guy's making
1:21:48
sense that would be building a bridge instead he's dismissing them all and only
1:21:54
addressing people with whom he's in deep solidarity which is a tiny group of Boutique left
1:22:01
activists in a blue area of the country uh
1:22:07
and so I said I said to Cornell directly that your rhetoric might be good for the
1:22:12
old brecht form which is a defunct activist space in New York but real serious
1:22:19
independent candidates like Ralph Nader for example in 2000 they made waves and threatened The Establishment by putting
1:22:25
together a real political program and it was based on class not all of the identitarian issues
1:22:32
obviously we can't discount identity uh for black Americans that's a huge
1:22:39
factor that but it's bound up in class but if you're running for president you should be running for president of
1:22:44
everyone and it's we're in it at a point a terminal phase of neoliberalism
1:22:51
where I think there's a huge opportunity for an independent candidate to actually build an anti-establishment Coalition
1:22:56
Cornell West wants to do is just keep this confined to the boutique left do
1:23:02
some virtue signaling and you know unfortunately I think he needs to be asked whether this is just about uh
1:23:09
you know a vanity project because of course the system's rigged so why would
1:23:14
anyone run for president except maybe for vanity that's a valid question he needs to be
1:23:20
asked that and so what he does his response and this this is you know the
1:23:25
question that I'm addressing here I'll just put the question of that back on on
1:23:30
screen care to comment on the recent developments of the Cornell West Camp his response has been to sick
1:23:38
sympathetic voices against Jimmy Dore uh to attack Jimmy Dore
1:23:44
first that's the first response to viciously attack Jimmy Dore
1:23:50
but when Anderson Cooper was much more condescending with Cornell West
1:23:55
or Ari melber criticized Cornell West for wanting to withdraw from NATO and they kind of
1:24:01
called him a kook did he send his supporters against them no he was like
1:24:09
brother Ari and brother uh Anderson he's been much more hostile to Jimmy Dore
1:24:14
because Jimmy Dore hit the he hit the nail on the head and
1:24:20
so Cornell West runs the risk now of becoming a caricature as a
1:24:27
presidential candidate whereas he had Consolidated his reputation as a academic and activist but he's in a
1:24:35
different realm now and Jimmy Dore is the one who threatens His Image by
1:24:41
actually asking serious questions about the contradictions in his messening
1:24:47
messaging and how he's out of touch another area where he's been out of touch is the the covet event the
1:24:53
pandemic Cornell West is never retracted his statement praising Anthony fauci as
1:24:59
some kind of heroic figure he refuses to address what the lockdowns
1:25:05
did to Black America specifically to Black public school students setting
1:25:10
them back for a generation by putting them in remote learning setting their families back to black women who were
1:25:16
forced to uh in some cases quit their jobs because they now had children at home who were
1:25:23
remote learning who could not go to school the threat that chill that and and the
1:25:30
insanity of the vaccine mandates throwing people out of their jobs for refusing to inject a substance in their
1:25:37
body that did not prevent infection or transmission he just won't go there so he's lost in 2015 like so much of the
1:25:45
left like so much of the boutique left their loss back in the Glory Days of the black lives matter before it became this
1:25:52
like uh Biden election project they're lost in 2015 they're lost in the
1:25:57
in the Glory Days of Bernie's 2016 campaign still feeding off the energy of
1:26:03
occupy and they don't want to address what's happened in the past three years with the pandemic and how that's changed
1:26:09
our politics and our society Washington DC homicides are up over 20
1:26:15
percent why is that that it doesn't have something to do with the societal deterioration and
1:26:23
destabilization of putting people out of work and out of their homes through Mass evictions of the lockdowns
1:26:31
he doesn't want to address that BlackRock seizing up property downtown D.C is a ghost town now since the
1:26:37
lockdowns in the pandemic it's not coming back what's what's coming to downtown DC is
1:26:44
Extreme poverty homelessness crime black rocks buying up distressed
1:26:50
commercial real estate he has no analysis of that and Jimmy Dore was calling him out where have you been
1:26:55
where are you why are you running for president we're in a different era this is in 2015
1:27:01
anymore why aren't you attacking Biden as hard
1:27:06
as you're attacking Donald Trump Biden's President Biden's got us in Ukraine
1:27:12
Biden sending weapons to Taiwan so it's completely valid and corn OS response has been that and to appoint
1:27:18
Peter Dao the guy who is attacking us all smearing
1:27:24
us all back in 2016 on behalf of Hillary's neoliberal campaign that
1:27:29
Cornell West had correctly refused to support after Bernie dropped
1:27:36
out also in 2020 refused to support it so you're bringing on this guy who's an obvious grifter Jimmy said your advisor
1:27:43
must be an infiltrator and Cornell West said well I don't have an advisor well now you do and he's an infiltrator and
1:27:48
he I don't know where the money is coming from to pay him but he's an infiltrator he's a clown he's a grifter
1:27:54
and uh I don't see any reason I I don't see why the green party uh did
1:28:03
this I mean Jill Stein I like her a lot respect what she did when she ran
1:28:12
um especially on foreign policy and they allow this guy to get in the
1:28:18
door Peter Dao to be the campaign manager
1:28:23
I mean this is ridiculous so it's it's also just generally depressing
1:28:29
I mean you look at the field of candidates who are the sort of posing as
1:28:34
anti-establishment Cornell West Marion Williamson RFK Jr they all have they all they all have
1:28:42
these huge glaring problems that almost make it impossible to
1:28:49
support them I mean I think rfk's support for the likud wing
1:28:56
of the Zionist movement for the Netanyahu government and the falsehoods
1:29:02
he deployed and the smears that he issued against all Palestinians
1:29:08
are a poison pill that cannot be swallowed Marion Williamson's support
1:29:14
for sending hundreds of billions of dollars to Ukraine sorry uh and you know
1:29:21
it's not as though she's the strongest Messenger on other issues and then you have Cornell West refusing to address
1:29:28
the pandemic brick sending people to bran Jimmy Dora racist for actually challenging him and sounding just kind
1:29:35
of out of touch with where most of the country is right now Cornell West the academic cornos the activist great job
1:29:43
you know we appreciate you but you're running for president so it's time for somebody
1:29:49
I mean if you're good I don't if you're going to run for president you should at least acknowledge that the whole thing
1:29:55
is rigged against you and that you have nothing to lose by actually challenging
1:30:00
The Establishment and not just some aspect of it unless you're running a vanity campaign for yourself
1:30:08
um so that's what I have to say about that hope that registered
1:30:14
I see we got a lot of live comments
1:30:20
um well I'll address one more
1:30:26
someone's saying you know it's nuts to take one thing RFK said about Israel and use and and
1:30:33
uh look at it as a contamination of his
1:30:39
entire campaign sorry Israel is a poison pill when you issue
1:30:46
unequivocal support to Israel as RFK did it it will poison everything else you seek to do and uh you're setting the
1:30:54
stage for regional war with Iran and that will destroy your presidency and it will destroy a large swath of the
1:31:01
planet so sorry you can't do that and his refusal to discuss this further
1:31:07
and just kind of moving along raises questions about why he did it in the first place why did he do that
1:31:14
shmueli event why did you get involved with people who are literal Ultra Zionist race Hustlers who are
1:31:21
always seeking some kind of transactional relationship with candidates
1:31:26
what's going on there what does that say about your integrity so right now
1:31:32
feels like a very hopeless moment for independent politics Nader was really
1:31:38
the high point I mean Ross Perot I don't support I didn't support him but he really showed how a rich guy can do
1:31:45
an independent campaign Ralph Nader showed how a an uh kind of public
1:31:51
Advocate can run a grassroots-based campaign and then you know he was destroyed
1:31:56
because this will be my final comment Ralph
1:32:02
Nader was destroyed because he's blamed for handing over was was blamed for uh
1:32:09
handing over the presidency to George W bush and then you know making the Iraq
1:32:15
War possible the whole Security State that grew out of the Patriot Act at the time I blamed him I was mad at Ralph
1:32:22
Nader I've had kind of a reassessment but you know Ralph Nader was never welcomed back into polite Society it's
1:32:29
because he ran in Florida you know Michael Moore is blaming that was not blaming him but begging him not
1:32:34
to run in Florida take your name off the ballot and then you had the whole Florida disaster and George W bush steals the election
1:32:42
and Jill Stein was then the next kind of major green candidate
1:32:48
to run um after some weaker runs by I think David Cobb Jill Stein kind of registered
1:32:54
and so they destroyed her over traveling to RT's 10th anniversary and they initiate the same forces that are
1:33:01
seeking to jail Donald Trump um brought her before the Senate
1:33:07
intelligence committee and initiated like an Espionage investigation against Jill Stein and that severely weakened the green
1:33:14
party led to the NATO neocon tool Howie Hawkins taking over for a while Howie
1:33:22
Hawkins supported regime change in Syria the Ukraine proxy war and uh Cornell West has come over from
1:33:29
the People's Party in a weird way and I just spent the last 20 minutes
1:33:35
addressing why his campaign is weak and why the other campaigns are weak but they've been weakened systematically
1:33:40
since Nader's run because of the threat they present to the Democratic party by the same forces that are trying to keep
1:33:46
Trump off the ballot so right now we have a situation where the neo-liberal establishment and the
1:33:54
United States as a global power in a unipolar world are weaker
1:34:01
than at any point since the end of the Cold War which
1:34:06
should create space for independent candidates which should Propel independent
1:34:12
candidates involve them into the mainstream because of the amount of discontent radical discontent among the
1:34:19
American masses the Betrayed American worker but we have a weaker field of
1:34:25
independent candidates as a result partly of the threat that independent
1:34:31
politics presents in the U.S and the systematic campaign to weaken it so here we here we have uh some very flawed
1:34:37
candidates RFK I don't know if he suggested he's going to run as an independent we'll see what happens there
1:34:43
but uh it's it's a it's a very dispiriting
1:34:48
moment and I think whatever you think of whatever your problems with Jimmy Dora might be he you
1:34:55
should owe it to him for at least holding accountable every candidate who agrees to interview with them
1:35:02
and exposing their contradictions the voter deserves that voters deserve
1:35:07
that and of course he would do that with major candidates but they won't get anywhere near him so that's what I have
1:35:12
to say about that thanks for joining us uh thanks for getting us to 300 000 YouTube subscribers like this stream
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1:35:37
Chris Weaver for all of his help in producing and thanks to Wyatt again for joining us
1:35:43
and we'll be back next week peace
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Max Blumenthal and Wyatt Reed discuss threats from Ukrainian officials to assassinate journalists and unleash a terror wave as Senate Democrats demand a probe into Elon Musk for refusing to participating in a Pearl Harbor style attack on Russia. They will also cover the hypocrisy around calls for Libya aid.
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