John Merton
John Merton
7 months ago
That cop is crazy pursuing at those speeds.
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Tactical tyrs
Tactical tyrs
1 month ago
He had to get the job done!!
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JustAnotherGuy
JustAnotherGuy
1 month ago (edited)
@Tactical tyrs :: no, he didn't. You don't pursue a fleeing suspect wanted only for a traffic violation driving through parks and along the shoreline where people are walking with their children and their pets over a speeding ticket. Completely irresponsible.
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gkm3838
gkm3838
1 week ago
@JustAnotherGuy How do you know he was only wanted for traffic violations? He could have been wanted for a number of things, I don't know. And neither do you!
JustAnotherGuy
JustAnotherGuy
1 week ago
@gkm3838 :: you're correct that I don't know with 100% certainty but I've got something going for me that you don't. 40 years in law enforcement. I retired several years ago as a Captain II with a third largest Police Department in the entire United States. At one point I ran the traffic division. Besides that I Was A Beat cop, a detective, and I even got my law degree in my 15th year but chose to remain in law enforcement and use it to bolster my career. I sure didn't want to pay cut working as a prosecutor and I sure didn't want to be a defense attorney making a fortune letting guilty people out of jail. I have experience but I can tell by watching this video what it was about. If this individual had been wanted for serious crimes you to see more than one motorcycle chasing him. Common Sense tells us that.
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gkm3838
gkm3838
1 week ago
@JustAnotherGuy Thanks for the reply on your law enforcement career. The only thing that tells me is you should know better than to speculate. You said the rider "was only wanted for traffic violations" and you know that couldn't be known at that point. Your explanation including it would have taken a bigger response if more serious is simply a deflection that others reading this would fall for. If you were the police officer you claim to be you would know that a lot of other things go on in the background during a pursuit. One of them is not to funnel all police vehicles behind the pursuit so as not to end up having a 'Blues Brothers' type of pursuit. We have no idea that the police cyclist didn't identify the bike as a vehicle wanted for other more serious reasons. Police don't just ride around pulling over traffic violators. They know their community and what is going on in it and also build up data in their mind about who they should pay attention to. You can explain all you want that this incident was obviously just a traffic matter but that argument is moot.
JustAnotherGuy
JustAnotherGuy
1 week ago
@gkm3838 :: That argument may be moot to you but I think it my high rank and longevity at LAPD puts me in a position to determine based on what I can see in the video that he was wanted for traffic only. That was a ridiculously stupid pursuit. It put more people in danger then it would have been worth. Unless it was a major felony we'd just shut it down.
Look at the termination of the pursuit. Were any weapons drawn? Did other units roll in? Usually when there's a pursuit units parallel the pursuit as well as stake out the freeway on-ramps. Units ahead of their Pursuit shut down intersections so there's no cross traffic. Other agencies get in position so that when the pursuit and hers their city if necessary they can take over because they know the streets better. This isn't Grand Theft Auto 5 or whatever it is my kids used to play.
Don't preach to me you little prick. You are a YouTube Tool that looks at knocking people down rather than having a discussion. There was no reason to jump all over me because I used my experience and education to speculate. You don't know me and I don't know you so don't think for a moment that you're going to take away from my ability to reach somewhat of a conclusion based on 40 years of experience.
What experience do you have? You're very clearly not a police officer. That's obvious. If you were you would know the policy is two units in the pursuit plus a supervisor. If it's in California and it hits the freeways and CHP is requested you back out or CHP backs out and then you're on your own. If the weather is good once the helicopters overhead you go into tracking mode. I expect you probably don't know what that is. You probably don't even know what kind of capabilities the helicopter has on board. You'd be quite impressed.
I wouldn't expect you to know how California works. But California has the most sophisticated police agencies in the country. NYPD may be good at anti-terrorism but it's a different city where they don't chase cars on a regular basis. It truly sucks however that they've been partially defunded and their anti-crime units pulled off the streets. They were pretty good at that stuff. I'm sure you're not familiar with what they did.
California is at Pursuit capital of the United States. I can tell you based on experience most of them are traffic violations. Why are they chased? Because some of them are not simple traffic violations. They're wanted persons for one reason or another. They have outstanding warrants. Some of them for the most stupid things like having a revoked license which means they go to jail and their car gets towed and stored at their expense for 30 days. So what do they do? They add felony evading to it which carries a three-year prison sentence. Not that they'll get it but that's what's on the books. It's still traffic-related.
Guys on motorcycles run a high percentage of the time. It's sport to them. It's usually speed which is a traffic violation. See how little you know? But then there's that time well regardless of the vehicle you chase them down and find a parolee at large who's a three-time striker going to prison for life. That's why they get chased. Usually the running for a reason regardless of how ridiculous and simple it maybe.
Maybe you live in a small town of 300 people and you know the single cop that patrols your city. More than likely you've got a police scanner and that's where you've received your education or lack of. Units don't funnel in behind? That's laughable because as soon as the pursuit terminates everybody that's been paralleling suddenly converges. Surely you've watched YouTube videos. Unless of course you've got that one cop in town. LAPD when there's 15 units stacked up behind the car that's when one of my sergeants would get out and tell the others to get back to work.
Cops get to know their community? Maybe in Mayberry. Do you know where that's located? Please tell me. When you work at a large agency such as Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department or LAPD the only neighbors that you're going to get to know are the ones that you have repeated calls for service to. The ones that you chase all the time jumping over fences. Very seldom are you going to have a chance to stop and talk to an elderly couple walking their dog. It can happen but it's not likely. Call volume is too high. Our officers are lucky if they even get a meal break. Our officers are the highest paid in the United States for a reason.
You've been watching too much TV. Go listen to your scanner so you can come back and tell a real cop how to do his job again.
gkm3838
gkm3838
1 week ago
@JustAnotherGuy Thanks for your argumentative comment, but you failed to notice that this pursuit took place in Finland and not in California where you assert you worked as a Police Officer so has nothing to do with the standard operating procedures of Finland Police. And your alleged lengthy Police career has nothing to do with the facts.
Most of your argument again was pure speculation and instead of returning to my original criticism that you were not privy to what had taken place before or after the pursuit, therefore had no idea why it took place, took second place to your massive ego of how the sun shines out of your backside.
You call me a little prick without first considering who you are talking to. And I don’t know where the troll reference came from. It seems to you that you have the right to abuse me because I merely brought up that you had no information which would lead you to ASSUME that the pursuing police officer conducted a dangerous pursuit. Isn’t it funny how you, as an alleged Police Officer, albeit retired, would severely criticise another officer you don’t even know, of professional negligence. Especially when you don't have all the facts available to you to come to a proper decision. If you really were a Police Officer, you are an arrogant arse who believes his opinion outweighs the unknown facts.
Again, consider who you might be talking to before abusing them. Just because I don’t declare my background doesn’t make my criticisms of you any less credible.
JustAnotherGuy
JustAnotherGuy
1 week ago
@gkm3838 :: I'm fully aware it was in Finland. Police procedures amongst modern countries are very similar. Even in Queensland. But why don't you tell me who you think you are? From what I can tell you're just another YouTuber that's going out of his way to be difficult because someone made the statement that this pursuit was extremely reckless. I backed it up with straight police tactics. All you're doing is attempting to attack my credibility. You've nothing to go on. This will be the end of our conversation. You're just looking for an argument and with me it ends here.
Rocks-to-Earth-SPInner
Rocks-to-Earth-SPInner
1 second ago
@JustAnotherGuy [+ @gkm3838 see #] Thank you both for a thread that restores the faith in my chosen profession: commentarian. JAG, i come down on your end squarely. I'd prefer no innocents endangering chases at all, period# ,,, no audience endangering races either ... but i was young, immature and thrilled to visit motocross events 40 years ago. A hero of mine Gerard Rond, killed a girl on the other side of a jump. ------- # = As to gkm's hi stakes point i'd like to argue that having a sniper tag a vehicle with a tracer would be far far better than this madness.
